When do you start your tomatoes?

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I actually usually wait until the 4th of July and go buy all my tom plants 1/2 price at good news gardening.  Up here in Trout Lake we have such a short growing season that I have NEVER gotten any toms from seed, and that includes my lame attempts at starting the seeds in my mini green house.  Even when I buy sturdy plants at the beginning of spring, I will only get about 4 ripe big tomatoes.  The cherry toms seem to grow better but still, it is a battle keeping up w/ the weeds for such small yeilds.  Hoping the Hay bale and tents I put up this year will do better then previous years.

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